Sunday, December 2, 2012

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Basically what Homosexual ODC is, is being worried that you might be a closet case but you really arent. It causes you to completely reassure that you are straight and you get fucked up thoughts. Its a constant battle.. Its like torture

Im about to turn 20, ive been straight all my life and the thought of being with another dude to me is disgusting and unappealing. But then Homo OCD kicks in and Im thinking like OHH SHIT WHAT IF IM GAY and you start thinking of gay shit to reassure that you arent aroused by it. You get stupid thoughts.. Its hard to explain. For a split second your mind tells you that you could possibly be attracted to a guy, but you know for a fact you cant. Ive done minor research on it and I have all the symptoms of HOCD. Has anyone had this? Apparently its normal at this age because the hormones are still out of whack and its your sub conscious trying to sort shit out.

I even put on gay porn to see if it arrouses me, I closed it after 20 seconds because nothing happened and I felt like an idiot.

THIS. SUCKS. SO. MUCH. I dont know how or where I got this shit from. I could browse the internet all day in the past and not give a damn about dudes. Now if I see a guys face whos good looking in a girls eye, I question myself. Even though I know im not.. I have peace for maybe 30 mins a day when my mind forgets about it, but everything reminds me and its back to the same cycle of bullshit.

http://www.ocdla.com/blog/sexual-orientation-hocd-gay-ocd-treatment-1010

One thing that I think triggered this was, whenever I see a healthy dudes body, like really muscular or shaped. I get these thoughts. But its because I WANT for my own. But then I think Im gay and its like.. dude you wanan TOUCH that body. No shit, Id touch the shit out of it if I had it. Heres a qoute from a website.

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1) These thoughts always seem threatening at first, but all they could be is a new 'comfort' and 'consciousness' (rather than fantasy) with Male sexuality. Think about it, before you didn't think much of it - Now, you're just more conscious of these reactions. Big deal eh? You're now Fully aware that you observe other guy's bodies because it's healthy looking - Not because you're 'attracted' to it emotionally/sexually.

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every straight person "represses" homosexual tendencies to a large degree. the more you repress it, the more fearful you become of the idea itself. that's why super-straight people hate gays, they're just projecting their own fear of being gay onto others.

just accept the fact that everyone is bi-sexual to some degree and move on. if all of us weren't somewhat "gay" it would be impossible to even have social relations with people of the same sex, no joke.

you just have to accept the fact that you're somewhat gay, just like everyone else. it doesn't mean you have to fuck guys lol, just accept that you have the capacity to love people of the same sex. big deal.

i love my male friends, that doesn't make me gay. it just shows i can love. who cares.

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every straight person "represses" homosexual tendencies to a large degree. the more you repress it, the more fearful you become of the idea itself. that's why super-straight people hate gays, they're just projecting their own fear of being gay onto others.

just accept the fact that everyone is bi-sexual to some degree and move on. if all of us weren't somewhat "gay" it would be impossible to even have social relations with people of the same sex, no joke.

you just have to accept the fact that you're somewhat gay, just like everyone else. it doesn't mean you have to fuck guys lol, just accept that you have the capacity to love people of the same sex. big deal.

i love my male friends, that doesn't make me gay. it just shows i can love. who cares.


Yeah I also read up that not everyone is 100% straight. This post reassure me lots. I just did some thinking too. Im not against gay people, and if I think of 2 guys fucking.. I dont really care I just dont agree with it. But damn, this shit can have you going crazy. In a way Id blame society but I guess im part of the problem

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Basically what Homosexual ODC is, is being worried that you might be a closet case but you really arent. It causes you to completely reassure that you are straight and you get fucked up thoughts. Its a constant battle.. Its like torture

Im about to turn 20, ive been straight all my life and the thought of being with another dude to me is disgusting and unappealing. But then Homo OCD kicks in and Im thinking like OHH SHIT WHAT IF IM GAY and you start thinking of gay shit to reassure that you arent aroused by it. You get stupid thoughts.. Its hard to explain. For a split second your mind tells you that you could possibly be attracted to a guy, but you know for a fact you cant. Ive done minor research on it and I have all the symptoms of HOCD. Has anyone had this? Apparently its normal at this age because the hormones are still out of whack and its your sub conscious trying to sort shit out.

I even put on gay porn to see if it arrouses me, I closed it after 20 seconds because nothing happened and I felt like an idiot.

THIS. SUCKS. SO. MUCH. I dont know how or where I got this shit from. I could browse the internet all day in the past and not give a damn about dudes. Now if I see a guys face whos good looking in a girls eye, I question myself. Even though I know im not.. I have peace for maybe 30 mins a day when my mind forgets about it, but everything reminds me and its back to the same cycle of bullshit.

http://www.ocdla.com/blog/sexual-orientation-hocd-gay-ocd-treatment-1010


Sorry to hear that you're suffering.? The fact that this even exists as a diagnosis seems to me to be a result of our culture's current fixation on identity and gender, and our obsessive need as a society to label things.? Who fucking cares if you're gay or straight?? Would it change anything if you were 98% straight and 2% gay?? Does labelling it that way mean anything significant toward the life you want to live?? Does it matter if your gay/straight ratio is 80/20, 05/95, or 00/100?? I think the postmodern preoccupation with identity is the culmination of petty, bourgeois solipsism.? ? ?

You're young and you still care how others perceive you, I get it.? You're probably worried about getting a partner that lives up to your expectations (which are artificially high because of our media), and worried about whether or not you're alpha enough to get her.? 20 is an anxious time when you don't know who you are or what you want to do with your life.? If the OCD is interfering with your life, you might need some anti-anxiety meds or just some structured meditation.? I recommend reading some books on Zen and taking a high dose of psilocybin then pondering these questions again, and you'll see how positively ludicrous the whole idea of identity is.? It's a fiction you've created for your own entertainment, nothing else, so if it's no longer fun, then just let it go.? A little ego death now and then is good for one's soul.? :mushroom2:

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Its funny, I never actually told anyone I have HOCD because theyd assume I was gay. Writing it here actually eased the anxiety a lot. Along with the feedback.

At this point I just dont care. I know im not gay, If I admire a guys body or looks its natural. Guys do it all the time. Its no different from old heads calling younger men handsome. I dont want to be a homophobe and hate people, but at the same time I dont really agree with it. But I can accept it and it doesnt bother me

Seems like im comfortable with my sexuality again. Ill tell you though.. that was some of the most mental torture ive endured.

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Its funny, I never actually told anyone I have HOCD because theyd assume I was gay. Writing it here actually eased the anxiety a lot. Along with the feedback.

At this point I just dont care. I know im not gay, If I admire a guys body or looks its natural. Guys do it all the time. Its no different from old heads calling younger men handsome. I dont want to be a homophobe and hate people, but at the same time I dont really agree with it. But I can accept it and it doesnt bother me

Seems like im comfortable with my sexuality again. Ill tell you though.. that was some of the most mental torture ive endured.



I had HOCD since i was a senior in high school it subsided like 95 percent after a while

it was really really annoying and shit for a few months

doing lsd made me get over it for the most part

i believe a website like nueroticplanet.com or something similar has a forum about it

but yea hopefully you'll ust like kinda grow out of it that's what happened to me

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Hey man, I used to have the same thing when I was your age. It was pretty annoying. You'll grow out of though--no worries.

My experience with the HOCD thing came after two gay dudes came on to me. I started thinking, shit, do they see something that I don't see? Stupid thoughts like that. It took me a while to realize that some gay dudes are just like that, and will hit on other dudes either way.

When I had those OC thoughts, they'd usually only stick around for a few days, then I'd forget about it. How long have you been going through it?

What helped get me through those shitty stretches was simply accepting that I might be gay, and that I would have no problem with my self if I was gay because there is nothing wrong with it. I always knew that I wasn't actually gay, but accepting those thoughts and trying to understand them, instead of suppress them, usually made it go away.

And some-times I'd walk past a chick with a fine ass or something and realize my 'straightness'.

Good luck man

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To OP, duuude calm down - it's perfectly normal to notice if a man is attractive, you got to evaluate the competition, amiright?!

I don't know if this will help you but for me I don't believe in sexual distinction - that's right there is no thing as "straight, bi, gay" in my opinion. People are just sexual, just like every other fucking mammal on this planet that don't distinguish between "gay" and "straight" sexual actions (ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Bonobo_and_other_apes) - they're just horny and so are we. Humans, the hairless, horny ape.

Small potatoes though, sexuality doesn't define a person.

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Kitty you are soooooo gay

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Its funny, I never actually told anyone I have HOCD because theyd assume I was gay. Writing it here actually eased the anxiety a lot. Along with the feedback.

At this point I just dont care. I know im not gay, If I admire a guys body or looks its natural. Guys do it all the time. Its no different from old heads calling younger men handsome. I dont want to be a homophobe and hate people, but at the same time I dont really agree with it. But I can accept it and it doesnt bother me

Seems like im comfortable with my sexuality again. Ill tell you though.. that was some of the most mental torture ive endured.


damn that was a quick recovery lol. us shroomerites should become certified therapists or something... :wink:

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Peek out of closet,
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go back inside.

Yeahh then you get ppl like this who should be banned.

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Peek out of closet,
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go back inside.


Yeahh then you get ppl like this who should be banned.


Chill out, I gave you a very detailed and affirmative response to your question, that was a tongue in cheek joke. :rolleyes:

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Ohh :l I just realized it was you who gave me the advice LOL.. I thought you were a random troll. Sorry, Im just a little edgy right now

Im usually not like this, im the tooth and nail kind of guy who doesnt really give a fuck. Strong will power and what not.. so this whole situation throws me off. I fucking hate it.

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I suffer from OCD as well. Lots of intrusive thoughts and In my teens went through a similar experiance.

If you want them to go away accept them. Be at peace with the fact that you very well could have homosexual tendencies! We all do bro, even if we want to admit this or not. I believe for most homosexuality is indeed a choice....and your no different.

Once you accept this fact, it will dissapear....however with OCD it will take on a new form. You will worry about something ELSE! :sad: Your feeling anxious for a reason, and your mind grasps stupid ass reasons to feel anxious because they are situations you can control.

Seek out why your anxious in the first place

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OP, you sound like classic closet case. I think you might really be gay. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. What's wrong is trying to deny it if you are. Just think of what you could be missing out on. Maybe you should try it once or twice just to make absolutely sure you're not. Then you can move on with the rest of your life. You're still young, so what the hell, just give it a whirl. There's no shame in that game. It's better to find out now rather than after you have a wife and kids and find yourself ducking into gay bath houses behind your wife's back. That shit happens all the time. I would suspect it's because people supress their urges their whole lives, then one day it just explodes like a big gay volcano. Don't be a big gay volcano.

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The trick with OCD is not to let the thoughts bother you.? The very reason you have the thoughts is because you don't want to have them and are trying to make them stop.? It's like someone saying "you're not allowed to think of the colour red" and everyone automatically thinks of the colour red.? If you are satisfied that you are not gay and don't feel like it's something you need to explore further then just see the thoughts for what they are, absurd.? Laugh at them and laugh at yourself, then they'll go away.? And even if they don't, you won't care about them any more!

Everyone has fucked up thoughts from time to time, and usually they are the worst thing we could imagine at any given time.? E.g a mother thinking about dropping her baby or a religious person blaspheming god.? Most people just let them go but OCDers latch onto the thoughts and obsess that they are bad people/gay etc for having them, and then the thoughts reoccur.? Let them go and they won't bother you any more.

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@Gary, closet case is different. Period. Its a type of OCD and clearly, you can see people here have suffered from it too. Did you even read any of the posts? The worst thing you can do with someone who has HOCD is tell them theyre a closet case.

Edited by ThisIsKitty (12/01/12 12:01 PM)

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Out Standing in Your Field - Anthropology News

We are told, during methods seminars in graduate school, that some level of marginality is beneficial for the anthropologist in the field.? Too much ?insider status? impedes our ability to learn social processes naturally, because we already know them. This poses a challenge for the growing numbers of us who do our dissertation fieldwork domestically, sometimes right in our own backyards.? While there is a hefty literature on conducting ethnographic fieldwork, information on becoming the ?other? in your own society is scarce.

For the past four years, I have been interviewing and working with direct market farmers in Iowa. ?In particular, I have been interested in how producers learn their craft and adjust to new markets, especially with the recent growth in farmers markets, CSA, and the ?local food movement.?? I grew up on a farm in Missouri and have lived in Iowa for most of the past 15 years.? How, then, was I to feel like an ?outsider? among this group of people who looked an awful lot like me?? As is often the case, my informants provided the answer.

Early in my fieldwork I explained my project to a producer I hoped to interview.? When I said I was in the anthropology department at the University of Iowa, there was a long pause.? ?The University of Iowa?? he eventually repeated back to me, as though to make sure I had not misspoken.? Iowa farmers are quite used to interacting with university personnel.? However, the vast majority of those come from Iowa State, the land grant university.? The University of Iowa, according to most locals, is the liberal arts institution.? You don?t go to Iowa City for agronomy, agricultural economics or animal sciences:? Iowa City is for the writers and philosophers.

I?m certainly not the first scholar, or anthropologist, from our University to think about farming in Iowa (Chibnik 1987; Thu and Durrenberger 1998).? Some have even been warned about admitting their affiliation with any institution, lest farmers think they are ?radical environmentalists? (University of Iowa) or agribusiness job scouts (Iowa State) (Ziegenhorn 1996).? For some producers, my association with the liberal arts school benefited me.? One farmer would not agree to an interview without assurances from mutual friends that I was not associated with extension. For others, my association with the University was clearly indicative of a less ?serious? approach to agriculture.? In either case, most farmers saw my academic affiliation as an oddity.

My point here is twofold:? one, there is room for more ethnographic methods in US agriculture.? Anthropologists have long addressed local knowledge and small-scale agricultural processes in the Global South.? These categories are also relevant in the US and Europe, and as more and more ethnographers engage with them, we collectively broaden and develop the dialogue about food production and land use.? Agricultural Economists and Rural Sociologists, largely from land grant institutions, have historically conducted the bulk of social research about US agriculture.? The surprise expressed by my informants, no strangers to academics in the cornfields, about my methods and institution tells me that anthropologists have more work to do.

Secondly, my concern about not being enough of an outsider among my informants was largely unfounded.? As ethnographers, we automatically ?other? ourselves simply by choosing to study a particular group.? Often during interviews, farmers would pause, mid-sentence, and ask if they were boring me or if I really wanted to know about how they took into account the flood plain when building a new structure on their farm. ?Whether or not we look or talk like our informants, or whether we share a collective upbringing, is less relevant than our interest in their way of life.? It is this desire for the details, often seen as vaguely odd by our informants, that ultimately makes us outsiders.? That being said, students could still benefit from more attention to the growing reality of doing fieldwork near home.? In the interest of a truly holistic discipline, we have to include the familiar as well as the strange.

Our column welcomes all materials of interest to C&A members. Please direct inquiries and ideas to Susanna Donaldson at susanna-donaldson@uiowa.edu or Joan Mencher at joanmencher@gmail.com.

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Saturday, December 1, 2012

West Point chapel hosts its first same-sex wedding

WEST POINT, N.Y. (AP) ? Cadet Chapel, the landmark Gothic church that is a center for spiritual life at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, hosted its first same-sex wedding Saturday.

Penelope Gnesin and Brenda Sue Fulton, a West Point graduate, exchanged vows in the regal church in an afternoon ceremony, attended by about 250 guests and conducted by a senior Army chaplain.

The two have been together for 17 years. They had a civil commitment ceremony that didn't carry any legal force in 1999 and had long hoped to formally tie the knot. The way was cleared last year, when New York legalized same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama lifted the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy prohibiting openly gay people from serving in the military.

The brides both live in New Jersey and would have preferred to have the wedding there, but the state doesn't allow gay marriage.

"We just couldn't wait any longer," Fulton told The Associated Press in a phone interview Saturday.

Cadet Chapel was a more-than-adequate second choice, she said.

"It has a tremendous history, and it is beautiful. That's where I first heard and said the cadet prayer," Fulton said, referring to the invocation that says, "Make us to choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong, and never to be content with a half-truth when the whole can be won."

The ceremony was the second same-sex wedding at West Point. Last weekend, two of Fulton's friends, a young lieutenant and her partner, were married in another campus landmark, the small Old Cadet Chapel in West Point's cemetery.

Fulton has campaigned against the ban on gays in the military as a member of two groups representing gay and lesbian servicemen and servicewomen. She graduated from West Point in 1980, a member of the first class to include women.

She served with the Army Signal Corps in Germany and rose to the rank of captain, but left the service in 1986 partly because she wanted to be open about her sexual orientation. Obama appointed her last year to the U.S. Military Academy's Board of Visitors.

Fulton said the only hassle involved in arranging her ceremony came when she was initially told that none of West Point's chaplains was authorized by his or her denomination to perform same-sex weddings.

Luckily, Fulton said, they were able to call on a friend, Army Chaplain Col. J. Wesley Smith. He is the senior Army chaplain at Dover Air Force Base, where he presides over the solemn ceremonies held when the bodies of soldiers killed in action overseas return to U.S. soil.

The couple added other military trappings to their wedding, including a tradition called the saber arch, where officers or cadets hold their swords aloft over the newlyweds as they emerge from the church.

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John Michael Grafft is a broker with Prudential Rubloff and the director of leasing services at Rubloff Rentals.

By John Michael Grafft

The 2012 Real Estate Forum, which?brings in the ?Who?s Who? of local real estate,?was one of the better events I attended this year. I was told attendance was approximately 64 percent higher this year with attendance reaching 850.

Hearing the perspective of all of the panelists on the current market and where it?s heading was the most beneficial takeaway from the evening. There were many different segments of the market represented and they all shed light on the nuances of their industry.

2012 Real Estate Forum and Chicago?s Rental Markets

After conversations with many in the room that evening, the real question on everyone?s mind seemed to be how high can rents go before people decide it?s time to buy, and how much can rents climb to actual take home pay before people decide to move to another neighborhood or move back home with their parents.

Many panelists addressed this issue, but few seemed concerned about it, at least until 2014, when a massive supply of units will hit Chicago?s prime areas with $3.00/foot rents.

Even though a rent vs buy analysis in Chicago?s desirable neighborhoods will likely push you towards a purchase, the psychological barriers toward purchasing has only begun to be reached. Many eco-boomers and others fueling the current rental demand are uncertain on the next five years of their lives, especially as we get more tech jobs here in Chicago which can be performed virtually anywhere in the world.

That uncertainty, along with the visuals of families losing their homes, has yet to fade from memory; so, when accompanied by rental buildings with great locations and amenities far outpacing those of any condo building, the flexibility of renting outweighs the pricing for a large number of individuals.

There is no doubt that the purchase market is picking up in desirable areas throughout Chicagoland, but I think the heavy presence of renters will stay consistent for a long time to come. At the end of the day you may be paying a premium for flexibility, amenities, and location, but until condo buildings begin providing amenities that can compete with those of apartment buildings geared toward today?s consumer, many that would consider buying don?t even have a product they feel strongly about.

Few will consider putting 20 percent down and rooting themselves when they can rent the best product in town for a little more?monthly,?nothing upfront, and no long term risk.

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